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Criminal Defense Lawyers Discuss Use of Force

ATG Membership Meeting. Our monthly Membership Meeting will be at Cabela’s this Friday, Oct. 20th, with the main program starting at 6:00 PM.  Cabela’s meeting room is back by the Deli.  The Deli has good food and will will stay open until 6:00 PM so plan to have dinner with us at Cabela’s.  The networking hour will start at 5:00 PM; the Deli closes at 6:00.  I just learned that Criminal Defense Lawyer David Stevens will be there at 5:00 PM and he has agreed to provide us with some observations related to the Gerlach manslaughter trial. The trial is the subject for three of our speakers.  Defense Lawyer Richard Lee, will talk to us about the trial and media related issues. David Stevens and Mr. Lee were co-counsel for Mr. Gerlach’s criminal defense in the Spokane self-defense shooting trial several years back. Read more

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Gun News – ADTA Article

The Washington Arms Collectors featured the Armed Defense Training Association in the October, 2016 edition of the GunNews.  We asked the author, Ed Streit, the current ADTA President and a founding member of the citizen self-defense group, to send us the article.  The Action Training Group, Inc. in Eastern Washington and North Idaho follows the model created several years ago when the ADTA founders, including Spokane-area criminal defense lawyer, Mark Knapp, first started exploring ways to create a gun range in Federal Way, Washington.  The following is the complete article from the GunNews.

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Introduction to IDPA-and Use of Force at Cabela’s in Post Falls

  Our next ATG Meeting is Friday, December 1st, 2017 at Cabela’s the Action Training Group, an Idaho nonprofit, all volunteer corporation, will present  Use of Force and Washington state Firearms Law.  We recently reviewed how IDPA match shooting procedures relate to our ATG range protocol and objectives. Now we need to start integrating our ATG  range procedures with the legal, practical and tactical considerations that arise in life and death split-second situations when confronted by deadly force.  There are also encounters that can be mistaken for deadly force confrontations where deadly force is not the right decision.  Thus, force-on-force drills are necessary to create stress and confusion in real time scenarios and develop the reactions and judgment that it takes to get it right when the stakes are high!

 

National Outreach. We also need to start thinking about reaching out to law enforcement and other groups with an interest in the use-of-force issues we are confronting. Carl Chinn’s weekly article addresses the need for us to get involved with a national organization.

 

 

Fri, December 1st starting at 5:00 PM – 8:00 PM

 

Location:   Cabela’s

                    North Cabela Way

                    Post Falls, ID

Event details. 

We invite everyone to come and hear Bob Smith and Mark Knapp speak on Friday, Dec 1st at CABELA’s at 6:00 PM. The social hour is at 5:00 PM. The restaurant normally closes at 6:00 PM but might remain open later during the holidays.  The subject of our ATG meeting next Friday will be Washington firearms law and use of force in general.

 

 

David Howlett, of Next Level Training and the U. S. Tactical Rifle Association, will also be giving us a preview of what to expect during the REALITY-BASED force-on-force drills he has prepared for an upcoming event. One of our goals for the ATG is just to identify people with expertise that armed citizens need along with church safety resources.

See David Howlett

We are also promoting the exchange of such information and bringing folks together to encourage more cost-effective training and educational opportunities for churches and armed citizens in general.

We will be presenting indoor live-fire Action Shoots on a Sunday evening, once a month starting in January. Please forward this message to others who might be interested in the ATG or the newsletters. Hope to see everyone one week from tomorrow on Friday, December 1st. Anyone interested can call me or send an email to discuss any questions or ideas related to ATG, Inc., armed defense or church safety.

Watch some IDPA videos by Googling IDPA drills.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbjc8AUTB8k

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3txtcVLLrc

 

We will give you a chance to join our group and invite you just to come out and shoot with us.  We are planning Indoor Action Shoots to start in January.

ATG Meeting in October.  Our October meeting at Cabela’s presented the team of defense lawyers who represented Gail Gerlach in the Spokane Manslaughter trial several years ago. One of the themes of the meeting was the impact of the news media before, during and after a self-defense shooting trial in which an armed citizen is accused of unjustified or reckless use of force.  Gail Gerlach’s criminal defense team, Bob Smith, an expert witness on use of force at the Gerlach trial and defense attorney, Mark Knapp, joined in the discussion with Chuck Delgado regarding how Chuck shot and killed an unarmed attacker when he was a Spokane County Sheriff’s Deputy in 1971.

Lethal Force.  If the lethal force available to the police is unduly restricted, the responsibility for armed citizens to deploy deadly force in defense of our own lives and the lives of our loved ones will also become severely restricted.  You may not realize that right now armed citizens in Washington State  have broader authority to use deadly force than LEOs.

According to the Legislative Note included with RCW 9A.16.040:

Legislative recognition: “The legislature recognizes that RCW 9A.16.040 establishes a dual standard with respect to the use of deadly force by peace officers and private citizens, and further recognizes that private citizens’ permissible use of deadly force under the authority of RCW 9.01.200, 9A.16.020, or 9A.16.050 is not restricted and remains broader than the limitations imposed on peace officers.”

Bring family and friends to Cabela’s on December 1st.

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Action Training Group Reaching Shooting Public & Veterans in Post Falls

On Tuesday, April 25, my wife and I visited a Disabled American Veterans meeting at the American Legion in Post Falls, Idaho. The objective was to invite the members to get involved in the Action Training Group, a shooting club that focuses on Church Safety training drills. We need volunteers to train new shooters, organize events as Range Safety Officers and build our group’s outreach to Church Safety Teams. Read more